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June 29, 2011 at 1:36 am in reply to: At the Rally- Gravel 0n 2 main streets by the Brewery| #62794
It’s all cleaned up now. I had to go to the post office this morning at 8:00 AM and the streets were in pretty good shape.
Thanks for the help gregk!
[QUOTE=rockers »]Hi Nick- I looked early on for conflicts and the website for the “Wing Ding” and it was the following weekend. DATE July 6 – July 9, 2011
CITY / STATE Knoxville, Tennessee (TN). So I’m hoping you can do both and join us again. I hoped I didn’t get wrong info. I know you’ve been a good supporter of the RA Rally and we worked our butts off to get the announced early- Thanks Bob[/QUOTE]
Your correct Bob! I’m not sure where I got my dates from! I least now I can give it some serious thought although it still doesn’t look feasible looking at the miles I would have to travel to do both. But one never knows what the future will bring. I am pleased that you guys have announced early and this should really help with the attendance next year. Nice location too!
Tough weekend for vendors to attend as that’s the same weekend for GWRRA’s Wing Ding in Knoxville.
I’ll have to think long and hard as to which one I’ll go for.
Here’s a point of view from a vendors perspective. I was the Roadgear/Powerlet vendor at the event. I don’t know any other words to describe this place (that don’t contain profanity) other then it was a dump. Plan and simple as that. When I pulled in that Tuesday for set up it reminded of the movie Blade Runner. As a “national rally” I would rate it as a complete embarrassment. This rally really should have had an attendance of more then 3K, especially since the MOA was on the west coast. It could have been a prime opportunity for the RA to “showcase” it’s stuff. Instead they blew it. The late announcement of the event surely didn’t help matters ether, however I can only wonder what a person who never attended a BMW rally thought when they pulled into this place and I also wonder how many made a U turn and kept enjoying the rest of the area.
It was an interesting two weeks, the MOA rally in Redmond at a beautifully facility and as professionally run as any IMS show ( actually better run), and then the RA rally…………the complete opposite.
I have to give the volunteers all the credit in the world for not making this a complete disaster, but I wonder if there’s only room for one “real national BMW rally” in this country. Glad to hear some of you had a great time, I too enjoyed the vintage “racing” display around the parking lot and the stunt riding from the Max riders however if the RA really wants to survive and thrive in the future it must do better then this for it’s national rally. If not I see this organization slowly disappearing.
I’m sorry I missed the Biltmore as that is one really cool location, the problem was it was the same time as Americade. If it wasn’t you would have had even more vendors!
It starts Anton with a timely announcement of the dates and location of next years rally. When you make an announcement after the first of the year for an event that takes place that same year your already behind the eight ball so to speak. Too bad the RA doesn’t contact it’s vendors for suggestions on locations as most of us travel around the country and see many interesting venues. I knew of one just north of Lake George, NY ( Warrensburg fairgrounds) that could have been a perfect location. Another in Maggie Valley, NC would also be a great location, they have two bike rallies a year there that are “roar to whatever” I would think the town would really embrace a “silent” motorcycle rally.
Meanwhile over at the other BMW club ALL are invited to tour the Bloomsburg rally site this Sunday at 10:00 AM. That’s eleven months before the rally begins. I’m not sure how many of the “paid” staff will be there but I must say I’m impress by this endeavor. Building enthusiasm , apparently looking for suggestions, all of which lead to a record braking attendance for next year.
Last and not least I’m pretty dam proud and I consider myself pretty darn lucky to own my 07 RT and I’m just as proud to be associated with these two BMW clubs. I brag about the BMW rally experience where ever I go. Even this past weekend at a Goldwing event I think I convince a few to come out to the Finger Lakes Rally in Watkins Glen.
So lets get on with next year, lets not wait too much longer to announce the location and the time, and most importantly lets learn from the mistakes from this year. I stand at the ready to help anyway I can.
I bought a pair of gloves but not from the Roadgear/Powerlet guy. Which reminds me, I won’t in the future because of all of the crybaby whining from this cat.[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry you have taken my constrictive criticism as whining. I set pretty high standards for myself, the people who work for me, and my business. When I look at shows/rallies that I plan to attend I expect that standard to continue. Now maybe your standard isn’t as high mine which could be reflected in the gloves you did buy. Any warranty with those gloves? Most of the vendors I talked too were pretty much unhappy with this location although most will say nothing in a public forum for fear of appraisal by the likes of someone such as yourself. It’s tough enough in this economy to make a go of it in this industry at the moment however I have higher goals and if I lose the sale of a pair of gloves or whatever for giving an honest opinion so be it. Maybe you missed it but I want the RA to succeed, I want them to have great rallies, after all if I decide to be a vendor next year I want it to be well attended even though it looks like I lost you as a customer.
Oh and one more thing, about four other of the vendors who were there were pretty much because of me. I told them how well I’ve done in Michigan two years ago and suggested to them that they try W.Va last year. I wonder what I’ll be telling prospective vendors for next year?
[QUOTE=kewlmoose »]I ended up missing the rally due to illness. The pictures I’ve seen and the ride reports I’ve heard sound fantastic. As far as people comparing the MOA & RA rallies I’d say this. Based on what I saw at the Houghton & Canaan Valley RA rallies and the West Bend and Johnson City MOA rallies it’s apparent that the RA and MOA are two different organizations and have correspondingly different types of rallies. I’m hoping to make next year’s rally where ever it may be held.
BTW – the best way to make a change is to get involved…..[/QUOTE]
I was also at Houghton and Canaan Valley, Pownal wasn’t even in the same ballpark as those two. Yea the photos do look good as did the photos that showed the place before hand, but like taking a picture of a car with bad paint from 50 feet also looks good when you get up close you can see how poorly it really is. When I was in Redmond I asked many of my fellow vendors if they were going to Vermont as I knew that they were based on the east coast. To my surprise most said they weren’t interested with the most common response being ” its the RA”. It wasn’t said in a complementary term.
Now I realize that this location was a last minute decision due to the cancellation of another location for whatever reason, however I ‘m very surprised that any organization would lower their standards to this level. I did hear from another member that the Hunter Mt ski area (site of the Color in the Catskills) was offered, don’t know if that was true or not but I can tell you if the RA rally was held there the turn out would have been much different.
Now some like the atmosphere of a smaller rally and there are many regional rallies that you can attend that meet that criteria, but when a national club hold a national rally it does so to showcase what that club has to offer. It takes cold hard cash to stage one of these events, rental of the property, toilets, showers, liability insurance, and such all adds up. One rally that looses money can quickly bankrupt a club in no time. Most were expecting 3-4K in attendance, the RA said they got 1500-1600 which to me seemed to be on the high side. I’m not sure if that was enough to brake even or not, I hope they didn’t pay much for this place. Rallies need to be run like a business as that’s pretty much what they are and like a business if there not run properly they simply disappear and with it so does the organization. I for one don’t want to see that happen.
Oh and for the fellow who said that it seemed that every vendor was selling Gerbings there were only two vendors selling them and I wasn’t one.
Meanwhile over at the “other” BMW club we had our “first” walk thru of the Bloomsburg Fairgrounds this past Sunday for next years MOA National. To say that I’m impressed with the rally chairs, facility, and the locals would be an understatement. This is one national you really don’t want to miss and if the rally chairs can pull off what they want to do ( 80% chance it’s in the bag) you may want to leave your tents behind and plan on spending the week there and enjoy the surrounding area.
Now back to the RA. There seems to be an interest in a fall rally over at the MOA forum. This could be an opportunity for the RA to pursue something of that nature. Personally I’m not in favor of a fall rally but if there’s enough interest I guess maybe it’s worth a try.
I’m not sure how a rally in connection with Barbers Vintage days would work or even if Barber would allow it. I’ve attended the last two years, in 08 the weather was perfect and they got around 30K in attendance, last year the weather was not so good and they had a very small attendance. I just don’t see the place having enough of room to designate one area for a rally during this weekend plus I think it could very well diminish the RA rally somewhat.
[QUOTE=osbornk »]We had a rally at Barbers when it was new (and still incomplete). I would love to go back again in early fall and see how the finished product turned out.[/QUOTE]
Words can’t describe the finish product at Barber. It’s motorcyclists Mecca!
Meanwhile over at the MOA there are many, many, postings about Bloomsburg, Pa. for next year. People are already making plans, booking rooms,etc. This has been going on since this past spring when they announced the location. Then again it seemed the common theme that I heard last week was ” what do you expect it’s the RA after all”.
That certainly narrows it down.
I couldn’t agree more! This years rally should have drawn over 3K in attendees, especially since the MOA was on the west coast. The late announcement and the quality of the facility were big detractions to this years event in my opinion. If the RA couldn’t draw a large crowd this year it’s unlikely it will do so next year. I have to give the volunteers two thumbs up for pulling this off however if next years event isn’t announce at least by this fall this vendor will go else where .
We’re already here and partial set up with a large selection of Roadgear products including Roadgears Monsoon rainsuit that was designed by yours truly, along a with a large selection of Powerlet accessories which includes their latest wireless dual heat controller and heated jackets and gloves. Look for the Roadgear and Powerlet signs.
[QUOTE=DaveSlash5 »]I’m planning on going up to the rally from Spartanburg SC if my work schedule allows. I did the 2006 MOA rally in Essex Junction (NE Vermont) and had a blast. There is some mighty fine riding up there.
This trip I ‘m thinking about a coastal route up. Plan A is from here to Norfolk, cross the 20 mile Chesapeake Bay Bridge, through Maryland, Delaware, The Pine Barrens of New Jersey (never been there), make a BIG loop around NYC, through Connecticut, Rhode Island (why do they call it an island when it is surrounded on three sides by land?), north through Mass, New Hampshire and into Maine where I cut inland and ride back to into New Hampshire and the Kancammagus Highway (and maybe a climb of Mt. Washington), slip into Vermont and head southwest to Pownal. I’m planning on leaving Monday morning and arrive Thursday morning if fate cooperates. Plan B is to slab it up and return on that route in reverse. Plan C isn’t there yet. Still lots of time for route refining though.
Another scenic route would be through West Virginia on HWY 219 into Pennsylvania, cut NE into The Empire State somewhere around HWY14 and up through the Finger Lakes district to HWY 20, east to Albany and Troy (or north through the Adirondacks depending on how much time you’ve got), then Hwy 7 into Bennington Vermont, hang a right and you’re there.
Lots of routes, lots of time for planning, thank goodness.[/QUOTE]
I like your second route better for that time of the year. It’ll be much cooler and the roads will be fantastic Lot’s of neat roads up through W.VA, Pa, and the Finger Lakes are gorgeous then. Your eastern route will be very hot and very crowded during that time, better to experience that after Labor Day. Just a note about this part of Vermont, I find the towns in the area much more charming then the norther part of the state. This is really a great location for a rally and a great place to bring your SO!
[QUOTE=X-Troller »]Well guess the powers that be don’t care about honoring their commitments so I have made other plans during the rally season with other organizations I’m only one but usually spend over a grand at rally’s with food fun and farkles.[/QUOTE]
I’m sure your not the only one, many more will follow. This is becoming frustrating.