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My 2005 RT was the best m/c I ever owned. Shame on me for selling it in a weak moment.
This ‘discussion’ highlights how ludicrous it is for there to [still] be two different national BMW specific motorcycle clubs. It seems to me that the only “advantage” is that there are more ‘leadership’ positions available. Let’s face it, BMW is a small marque and as owners/riders we could benefit from economies of scale.
[QUOTE=kewlmoose »]I’m 100% with Beemer-me-up. I belong to both MOA and RA & can’t see a reason to merge.[/QUOTE]
I belong to both RA and MOA as well & can’t see a reason [U]not[/U] to merge. Please enlighten us. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Beemer-me-up »]Can the MOA do this. I don’t think so. This is not a dig on the MOA. Its just due to the size and what they need to but a rally together. While all the RA site are not alway the best, the have more flexability to try different things. Usually good, sometime ok and others down right awful, just part of the adventure. So no I do not feel we need to merge. Nope…See you in Wisconsin. :thumb[/QUOTE]
Yours are interesting observations though I am not convinced that your reasoning is sound or that it trumps the potential economies of scale, both directly economic and with respect to dealing with BMW Motorad.
Thanks for weighing in.
Thanks. I’m still waiting for someone to ‘splain how competing marque specific motorcycle clubs serve the community better than a unified club could. I expect to wait for a long, long time.
[QUOTE=brewmeister »]I enjoy both clubs for various reasons but this is getting some blood flowing for sure. I truely wish both clubs could get back together for the good of ALL! And get over ourself”s. We all love this marque that’s FOR SURE![/QUOTE]
Yes. It appears that we are our own worst enemy, …wasting time energy and emotion on such as this. Let’s get together and get along!
“Cl[B]ub in fighting just seems silly to me…”[/B] I agree. I can see no legitimate disadvantage in merging the two clubs.
[QUOTE=macfly »]I am a member of both clubs, and honestly enjoy both mags. If I had to choose just one I’d be inclined to go with OTL because of how much it has grown and improved in the year I’ve been getting it, but happily I don’t have to choose just one!
I’ve never met any other members, and have no interest in club events, I just like riding with my mates, and knowing whats up with the brand I most enjoy. Club in fighting just seems silly to me if it is for real, but I’m too far away to know whether it is or not. I say everyone should just get on with doing what they enjoy, riding, racing, touring, tinkering, and celebrate this amazing voyage of life in harmony.
Two clubs, two mags, more BMW stuff to read each month or two – great by me![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Visian »]well, the dirty little secret is if you injected the white bread MOA with the RA’s, um… rye, look out Nellie!
I agree. There are a few who think that way, in both clubs…
I think that the vast majority are beyond that and believe that merging would benefit all. Well almost all…
I understand your position and it is certainly one that is shared by a number of people. I’m sure you agree with me that there are also redundancies. There is no reason I am aware of that combining forces would require that anything be lost. I’m sure that you also agree that economies of scale could result.
I look at these two clubs in somewhat the same way that I look at federal mohair subsidies. During WW1, mohair was necessary for the war effort. Not so today.
[QUOTE=darrylri »]Just read this thread for your answer. Both clubs have their own way of doing things, and if they merged, some of each would be lost. Do you think that a combined magazine would have OTL for 40 pages and ON for 80 pages? No, the leadership would have to decide who was the editor, maybe even a neutral third party, and then it would go from there. (And of course, the “leadership” itself would have had to have gone through a similar process.)
In the case of the ACA, when it shrank to the point that the individual chapters weren’t benefiting much by being affiliated, they decided to switch. The CCA has a huge benefits package, and it must have looked very enticing. That wouldn’t happen here, because local clubs are far more loosely connected to the national clubs, and many are affiliated with both.[/QUOTE]
My bad. Forgive my oversight?
As a member of both the RA and MOA, I think it high time to merge.
[QUOTE=Visian »]Well, technically, the RA is International.[/QUOTE]
We agree, and I suspect the majority of members of either/both clubs agree with us and would support merging for mutual benefit.
I would insert the word [enjoying] between ‘about’ and ‘BMW’ in both club descriptions .
[QUOTE=Beemer-me-up »][SIZE=”4″]Get along sure…Merge [COLOR=”red”]NEVER[/COLOR].[/SIZE]:cool:[/QUOTE]
I respect your opinion, emphatically expressed in bold red letters. I wish I understood why you oppose merging the two clubs, which share a common underlying objective. Some have hinted at the fear the fear that leaders of one club would prevail and perhaps exclude those of the other club. I don’t think so.
You mentioned something about rally size, locations, format and activities. I think it highly likely that rallies would become more inviting and better attended as a result of cross-polination. I think this would be true as well for the club magazines and that larger circulation might invite encourage advertisers and their revenue.
I think the potential benefits in 2011 far outweigh the negatives. Hope you agree.
[QUOTE=darrylri »]Actually, the CCA just waited out the ACA. They never opened chapters in the same places that the ACA was still going, but when it got down to just a couple ACA chapters, they threw in the towel and merged.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying it was a simply that neither set of old goats were willing to take the lead?
Why wait? What’s the benefit to the membership(s) of doing so?
LOL. The merged club could call itself BMW MRI [motorcycle riders International] or BMW MRA [motorcycle ridrs association] or whatever… It doesn’t much matter. The point is that we could save money and earn a stronger voice with BMW Motorad. The BMW car clubs ‘fought’ and made excuses for years before finally merging. I think most everyone now wonders why it took so long.
Are there that many still around who remember, or care about the reasons for the split? Do such ‘reasons’ still exist? Is there still justification for two clubs that cater primarily to North American riders/owners of BMW motorcycles?
I belong to both, by the way.