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It has been over a year now since the S1000RR/Racing slant began in the OTL. Has that content change translated into a membership net gain for the RA?
Wow! That could involve hundreds of miles of travel for some.
Charcoal canister flooded pehaps? If your bike is equiped with a charcoal canister I have read that fuel in the canister can cause a problem like that.
Welcome – Where in Mass.?
[QUOTE=Beemer-me-up »] Good luck as you will no doubt but your own spin on the club stuff section. :thumb[/QUOTE]
If the above comment is directed to me I will have a hard time putting my own spin on material that is not included in the magazine. I am just a little curious why a “club newletter” has no club business or at least club news included in it.
Anton thanks for the thoughtful reply. It appears to me that the RA is at a crossroads and which direction it is to take is a bit unclear at this point. I agree that some board business is “closed door” and needs to be but some information about club business and direction articulated somewhere would be welcome IMO. Unfortuantely from your desciption of how things work that seems unlikely. Again IMO from what I see of late in the OTL it probaly won’t be there. The magazine appears to be moving to just a BMW motorcyle magazine as opposed to a club organ. The last issue has no mention of the RA on the front cover, no logo no nothing. There is mention on the back cover but almost as an afterthought. The only real club info that I see and I may have missed something is the rally map. So as for a venue for club info that would leave the the website at least for now. Not for lack of trying on your part the site is pretty dead. As the discussion of old bikes and ownership articles are described as “snoozers” in the latest OTL is there room here on the site for different forums divided by types of BMW bikes? k bikes, R bikes and so on? I read through the Motorcycle Talk section and very few if any of the tech type questions are answered. Do you think there would be any more responses if the questions could be presented in a model specific forum? I would think that the RA memebership has some knowhow out there. Would it be worth experimenting with a new section or two. I don’t know what is involved in creating a new section and I am sure there is more to it than I imagine but are the resourses available for that? For all the racing/S1000RR focus in the OTL I would think that there would be a S1000RR section. I asked about the fitting of rev limiters on the S1000RR in the motorcycle talk section back in March and have yet to see a response. Not that I am still looking for one, I waited a day or so then searched for S1000RR found a couple of boards that had extensive discussion of this matter. I have a recently aquired K75S and would love to have a place to ask some questions about that here. Not that there is not plenty of info out there on the web it just would be nice to gather some here. I really enjoy the tech stuff and appreciate your efforts to provide it.
Vetbmwrider while I appreciate your comment about the other club I just wonder if it is good club business on the RAs part to give up or rather give away readers or market share (ie members)? If the RA has members to spare no problem but IMO holding on the to members you have and then adding to that number might be a better strategy. Then again if no one is mailing newsletters there is a bit of disconnect. I just hate to see opportunity handed to competitiors.
Thanks for the replies guys. Anton I am a member and have my # somewhere but it sounds like if I post there nobody or very few will read it anyway until the website catches up. That is sort of the basis of one of my questions. When will the website catch up? Another is about club business, events, and what is going on at the board level. From my point of view the RA has always been a little slim on noting what is actually going on with the club, current policies, and direction. Most clubs provide this info in the form of some kind of news letter or in our case the OTL, the club magazine or newsletter whichever label you prefer. In reading the lastest article in OTL about what the current editors want it to be it appears that any club news, club direction, or activities are not part of the new program. The magazine does not even mention any affliation with the RA on the front cover anymore. (yes I guess we should know that but still it is the club publication). So will the website step up and present this type of info? Are there any plans for a “message from the board” section here? It would not need to be a section one could respond in just a regular update of what is going on and where things are headed. Also I used to enjoy the Chartered club section that is no longer presented in OTL and I note that there has been brief discussion on the MOA forum that they are going include similar content in one of their columns and fill this void in their magazine. Why give that up to another club? If it is not to be presented in the OTL maybe try it somewhere here? Perhaps there is no interest but maybe worth a shot. Its pretty quiet here.
I had a few questions about the RA and thought that perahps would be better discussed in a members only area. I felt that discussion there might be a bit more frank than open forum and also even though the forum does not see much traffic, so maybe it does not matter, I was thinking that discussion of some club issues might be construed as airing dirty laundry etc. if posted in open forum.
I just recently noticed the club business forum, maybe it has been there forever and I just noticed but I saw it and thought it was a good venue for discussion.
Is that supposed to read “you Will, no doubt” meaning the editor or “you will no doubt” (as written). Who are you saying will put their own spin on the club stuff? Who is the “you” in the as written version?
Ok. Will not will or something similar anyway, got it. – Thanks :thumb
The club stuff column had been AWOL in a few of the recent issues I miss it because it is really the only club related section in the magazine of late. I found it to be a humerous glimpse into the local chapters. I received the most recent addition of the OTL today and the club stuff is back but abbreviated. Perhaps just the time of year.
I think this is called marketing and after all one club is named the Owners association and the other Riders association.
Perhaps the MO(owners)A should change its name. In regard to first to publish, if the OTL was first I guess that’s that. I don’t have any problem with these issues. Didn’t the MOA used to maket itself as the largest club, was that a slur directed at the RA? I may be wrong but I seem to remember that slogan being used. I don’t have a problem with them marketing themselves as largest.
The RA has changed course to garner more members, the younger set from what I read. The OTL has gone sportbike and I believe this Rider/Owner thing is marketing driven also. Think “AVIS we try harder” or something like that anyway. As to whether or not these changes will accomplish the stated goals in my view remains to be seen. I too have been an on again off again member of the RA and also the MOA. Presently I am a member of this one but think probably not for too long. I understand the former editor of the Owners News has launched a new non club affiliated BMW publication, I would like to give that a look.
[QUOTE=Visian »]feel free to top it. :biggrin[/QUOTE]
Again no offense. For me a better slogan is already on the cover of the OTL. The only change I would make would be to replace the letters OTL with RA. There is precious little mention of the “RA” or its activities in the OTL. The logo did make a one issue reappearance this fall but I note that it is gone again.
[QUOTE=Visian »]Darryl did’t say anything about upsetting the MOA, either.[/QUOTE]
I would disagree from what I read he was speaking about upsetting at least some MOA members. I take his post as saying that by “dissing” the MOA with the slogan the RA runs the risk of not attracting those people to the RA.
Darryl thanks for your thoughts. I agree with you about the sport bike crowd and neither club will see the fruits of their efforts for at least a while particularly in this ecconomy. Unfortunate about people leaving but if the RA is to survive they need to be somehow different from the MOA. No one in this thread so far has been able or willing to express what the difference may be but the board must have a plan. The differences will need to be articualted (marketed) and when they are some members of the “other” club will be offended, already are evidently. Over the past few years I have noted that some folks are directors or officers of both clubs. I am not sure that in the long run that has been good for the RA. Some of the overlap may be due to the fact that there is not enough talent or motivatred directors to go around but I also think that directors tend to recruit people they know and have delt with somewhere else previuously. If the RA can recruit new people, its own people, for the board and volunteer positions it may be better off. I’m not sure all the people who are directors of both clubs will have the best interests of the RA in mind.
[QUOTE=Visian »]And that’s what I think sets the RA apart: [B]our community is chock full of serious BMW riders offering a premium level of knowledge, skill and accomplishment.[QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Visian »]And that’s what I think sets the RA apart: our community is chock full of serious BMW riders offering a premium level of knowledge, skill and accomplishment..[QUOTE]
Ah someone finally came up with an example of something that sets the RA apart from the MOA but I would guess that some MOA members would disagree. Anyway assuming the RA community indeed has these qualities how does someone just joining the RA access all this knowledge etc.?
Visian – I have to say the presently I think both clubs are primarily in the magazine business. That said I agree that the magazine is not where the future lies though. Look where print media is now and the problems they have staying relevant. The interent groups you mention are free and have new things to chew on every day on their respective websites. I also think they tend to attract a more active rider or owner (take your pick). People that need their motorcycle info fix more frequently than monthly. So I guess the big question may not be what sets the RA apart from the MOA but why join either club at all when there is so much free content on the net? What do the MOA and the RA offer other than their magazines that the internet groups do not?
I don’t care about the hows and whys of the split but I still like being able to chose. I believe if the two clubs did become one there would be little RA in there and of the two clubs I prefer the RA. I think the answer for the “one club” believers is to begin by creating a third club dedicated their cause. You will get so many members you will crush the two existing clubs and they capitulate to your wishes – one club. 🙂
[QUOTE=darrylri »]Actually, I suspect that a huge number of RA members are also MOA members. I am; Visian is one; until her membership runs out in the RA, Sue Rihn-Manke is one. [/QUOTE]
For a time I was a member of both clubs also. I note that the post on the MOA website by Ms. Rihn-Menke has not generated any comment in subsequent posts in that thread. I’m sure it is an issue with some over there but so far in that thread not so much, folks appear to be looking forward to the RA rally. It may be being discussed in other threads but a friend that is still a member there says there has not been any other mention that he is aware of. I find it unfortuante that she is ending her membership but I don’t think you can keep everyone happy all the time.