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"Precision" - really the "Right Attitude"?

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"Precision" - really the "Right Attitude"?

I read Arthur Eberle's comments in the Dec. 2008 issue of OTL. Is that really the "right attitude" and the image that the RA wants to portray to non-BMW riders? I hope not.

Mr. Eberle come across as an arrogant, ignorant, grumpy, old man. His opinions could have certainly been expressed regarding the quality of BMW motorcycles and his enjoymnet of riding them without the childish criticsm of other riders and other brands.

The dress code: I disagree that American bikers are trying to look sloppy. I am an American biker, I ride a BMW, and (OMG!) sometimes I wear jeans and a leather jacket. It looks cool, it is comfortable, and the jacket has protectice armor. Its just a look, its not sloppy. I have tattoos too. I'm not sure what Mr. Eberle means by "truckers wallets", but if he is referring to a wallet in the pocket with a chain hooked on a belt loop, I've got one of those too. Why is that a truckers wallet and not a bikers wallet? It secures the wallet better. So, RA and Mr. Eberle, can I still be in your club? By the way Mr. Eberle, I am the WI Regional Representative of the RA.

The riders: The glances were of fear...really? I think maybe Mr. Eberle was projecting his own fear and insecurity to the other patrons. I've ridden for years with my father, an old Harley biker, and some of his friends. I've never seen fear. In fact, its just the opposite. People talk to us all the time, BMWs, Harleys, Ducatis, Hondas, it doesn't seem to matter what brand of bikes I'm riding with. Or where; gas stations, restaurants, pubs, people are interested in other people who are traveling by motorcycle. I would dare say many are even jealous.

The sound: I know this issue is discussed and debated often. But I disagree that v-twin engines produce an unpleasant racket. That obviously is a subjective and personal opinion. Noise in mechanical systems? I'm not an engineer. I would guess that a Harley engineer would respectfully disagree with Mr. Eberle's comments. I certainly appreciate various noises coming from my BMWs engines and tranmissions. My BMW has an aftermarket exhaust system (ZTech) which is louder than stock and sounds great. Not only have I seen and heard many BMW motorcycles with aftermarket (louder) exhaust pipes, the makers of the pipes advertise in our magazines and sell/install pipes at the rallys.

Finally, riding: It isn't just the machine. I routinely see articles and comments about riders taking their BMWs to a track day and being able to keep up with and surpass many superbike riders because of the handling of the bike and smooth cornering. That shows the quality of the machine but also of the rider. My father has been riding Harleys, and many other brands including BMW, for, I would guess, 40 years. I will put him on his SuperGlide up against Mr. Eberle any day. I'll bring my Buell too, which makes all kind of fun noise, and we can see if all that noise from a non-BMW and I can keep up with Mr. Eberle.

Anyway, I guess what I'm more upset about is that Mr. Eberle's opinions were published in the RA's magazine for all to read. I strongly disagree with his opinions and hope that no one I know reads the article. Its embarrassing to me and it should be embarrassing to the RA. I wish the editors would have exercised some of their discretion and clipped the comments regarding other riders and other brands.

Edited by: jeremell on 2009-02-01 13:25
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I guess another point could be added about BMW's new bikes and the image and market BMW is trying to create.

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Hi jeremell, so you thread on the moa forum. yes there is much more activity over there. That was not one of my favorite articles either. I hear what your saying. What are you going to do. I just try and ingnore it.

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I can usually ignore comments like Mr. Eberle's, however, in this case, I could not and I felt that posting a message for discussion was the best way to "get it off my chest". I know that sending a private message directly to OTL or the club would not generate any response.

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A good critique of the article, and i have to agree. If the original was worth publishing maybe the rebuttal is too?

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jeremell » wrote:
..I know that sending a private message directly to OTL or the club would not generate any response.

Not sure what a Private Message to OTL or the club would even be, other than a letter to the editor. Eberle's got printed but it seems you will do anything and everything to avoid writing one yourself.

Maybe the editor will run across your post here and use it as a letter anyway. Or maybe not.

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jeremell wrote:
...His opinions could have certainly been expressed regarding the quality of BMW motorcycles and his enjoymnet of riding them without the childish criticsm of other riders and other brands.

I don't think he trashed other brands. A stock Harley, for instance, doesn't have an "unpleasant racket of loud V-twin exhaust." I've heard Beemers with crapped-up exhausts as well as Harleys; I don't like any of 'em.

Riders? Well, that's his take. Sometimes that's my take also, especially in conjunction with the loud pipes thing. I have been downright embarrassed before to be associated with a certain situation just because I'm also riding a bike. It's not really fair, since car drivers aren't associated with the actions of other car drivers and so forth, but it's reality for us like it might be for pilots, bicyclists or equestrians.

As for the fear angle, you're seeing that through your eyes. It might not be justified but it's real nonetheless. Remember the video a few years ago of the motorhome going through Deal's Gap and the cruisers pulled the really boneheaded pass where one of them went over the embankment? No one in the motorhome wanted to stop because they were afraid. They split. They weren't riders and didn't know anything about bikes. The ones who walk up to you on a sunlit crowded sidewalk to ask about your bike aren't those people. I've met both types. More of the latter, but some of the former. Some even are afraid, at some level, of riders dressed like Mt. Eberle.

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Finally, riding: It isn't just the machine. I routinely see articles and comments about riders taking their BMWs to a track day and being able to keep up with and surpass many superbike riders because of the handling of the bike and smooth cornering. That shows the quality of the machine but also of the rider.

I totally agree (and not just with that point). It wasn't my kind of article, but I did appreciate some of the stuff in it. The precision thing itself, really. But IMO the generalizations detracted from the whole.

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Anyway, I guess what I'm more upset about is that Mr. Eberle's opinions were published in the RA's magazine for all to read.

You wouldn't have volunteered as an RR if you didn't care.

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Hey all; Yes that was an interesting article. I don't think we have to agree with everything the author said in it, but at least he wrote. I too, wear a leather jacket most of the time when riding. It's just easier to put on then my Joe Rocket suit, and not so clumsy to stash when off the bike. I even wear a leather vest with my CMA colors on them. I can relate to the "looks of fear" that the author commented on. It's amazing what a large man in a leather jacket and vest will do to a diner full of people. By the way, the wallet IS known as a 'trucker's wallet" as they used them well before we bikers did. Keep up the good work, hope to see everyone at the Rally. Via con Dios, Dutch

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Dutch » wrote:
Hey all; Yes that was an interesting article. I don't think we have to agree with everything the author said in it, but at least he wrote. I too, wear a leather jacket most of the time when riding. It's just easier to put on then my Joe Rocket suit, and not so clumsy to stash when off the bike. I even wear a leather vest with my CMA colors on them. I can relate to the "looks of fear" that the author commented on. It's amazing what a large man in a leather jacket and vest will do to a diner full of people. By the way, the wallet IS known as a 'trucker's wallet" as they used them well before we bikers did. Keep up the good work, hope to see everyone at the Rally. Via con Dios, Dutch

I'll be there. proberly out riding or at the beer tent. See ya there.:cool:

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