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OTL - don´t get much feedback

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OTL - don´t get much feedback

Just got the November OTL theese days (Germany is far away). Reading the Editorial and also the evidence about the rarely feedback. Whoever was resposable for a continuous publication knows, how much work it is, and how much time it needs to do that frequently. All the more to do it in a way, OTL is made.

I´m frequently read several Motorcycle Magazines in Germany and Europe, and I have to say, I´m always be glad, to find the OTL in our postbox. OTL is a Club Magazine, but could easily compare with profassional Magazines as well. Reports are made accurate and with enthusiasm, pictures great, and new quality of paper and colours, simpply perfect. So I´m a bit sad, to get the OTL in 2013 "only" two-monthly but understand that it needs time to do things with love, perfect and with a great commitment to the project OTL. Hope my english is not too bad -want to say - Will - Bill - Katherine - amazing, continue. Thank you, wish other readers agree.

Edited by: Palatina-Vintag... on 2013-08-06 17:25
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Totally agree. The change in OTL over the past couple of years is nothing short of incredible! We are extremely fortunate that the magazine's reins were taken over by someone with a vision, who also has the courage and strength to see that vision thru, not matter the complaints. Hopefully, the magazine's team will realize that complaints come more often than compliment's. Not because there are more of them, but simply because no one seems to state how good things are.

This post is an attempt to let you guys and gals know that you are doing one helluva job!

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Thanks for the feedback. No doubt Will appreciates it . And Heidelberg is a fabulous place to ride.

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I saw the magazine in my dealer's showroom. I joined BMWRA about a month ago just to get the magazine. Two questions, online it said 12 issues and then later I saw 6 issues. How many are there and when do the come?
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Rod

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chewbacca, I too am confused.
I joined the RA in January looking for a smaller group after being a MOA member for years. I've only got one magazine and although I thought the magazine was very nicely laid out, it's now April and I still only have one magazine.
I'm a little disappointed and I hope this is no indication of the club activity. The forum is mostly inactive and disappointing too.
I'm not a complainer but....................I hope the rally in Asheville is better than this. By the way chewbacca, I'm right down the road from you in Simpsonville SC.

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OTL is published 6 times a year. The Jan/Feb issue is the latest issue and the Mar/Apr issue should be out in a few weeks. I think you will be impressed with it.
Trust me when I say that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes at The Riders Association and the rally is coming together quite well. An thank you for joining the RA family.

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Hi Paul,
Have to go for a ride sometime. This weekend looks real good but I may be down for repairs and yard work.
Rod

Paul Witt » wrote:
chewbacca, I too am confused.
I joined the RA in January looking for a smaller group after being a MOA member for years. I've only got one magazine and although I thought the magazine was very nicely laid out, it's now April and I still only have one magazine.
I'm a little disappointed and I hope this is no indication of the club activity. The forum is mostly inactive and disappointing too.
I'm not a complainer but....................I hope the rally in Asheville is better than this. By the way chewbacca, I'm right down the road from you in Simpsonville SC.

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Thanks for the update and my wife and I are really looking forward to the rally and meeting some new friends.

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Thanks all for the feedback. It is great to hear people appreciate the effort we put in to OTL magazine. To the person who was under the impression he would receive 12 issues per year- At one point we were cranking out monthly issues but the amount of hours it took to complete each issue was just too insane- we all have day jobs as this is an all-volunteer staff. Eventually we started to miss our issue deadlines by weeks as we just couldn't keep up with the new extended issues. We decided that for 2013 it would be best to move to a bimonthly issue, so we can focus on a quality magazine and actually meet our deadline!
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Thanks Bill. I wondered how you guys could come up with enough good material for a monthly. I've still not seen an OTL other than on my dealer's showroom table. Can't wait.

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Looking forward to my first issue after rejoining recently.

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Bobs98 » wrote:
Looking forward to my first issue after rejoining recently.

So am I!!! Didn't rejoin, just joined. When IS that next one coming???? It was supposed to be Mar/Apr and we almost into May.

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It should be in the mail within a week. I think you'll like it.

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QWIK Q:

are there "Day Passes" at the Biltmore National Rally to be purchased? If so, for how much$?
I'm housing with a friend near by and have no need to camp on the Biltmore/Rally grounds.

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I mean to purchase a "Day Pass" at the gate, at the entrance to the estate? I seem to remember there was such at the last National there.
anybody know? who can I ask for a definitive answer?

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Good morning HardFarFast. I forwarded you question to our Rally Committee. You should get the answer posted here sometime today.

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My March -April copy of OTL arrived yesterday. It looks FANTASTIC! A major improvement over what I remember from several years ago.

Now I have a lot more reading to do. Thanks!

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HardFarFast » wrote:
I mean to purchase a "Day Pass" at the gate, at the entrance to the estate? I seem to remember there was such at the last National there.
anybody know? who can I ask for a definitive answer?

The answer is; There will not be day passes.
Regular non-rally admission to the Biltmore is $59 at the gate.
Pre-registration to the Rally, which includes unlimited access to the Biltmore mansion and grounds is $65. For $6 more than the regular estate admission, allows you all the benefits of the Rally. Vendors, seminars, entertainment etc. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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Got my copy yesterday. Ooooooooooh SHINEY! Great pics.

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HI, saw the post about number of issues, there were originally 9 or 10 issue of 82 pages. It was reduced to 6 issues due to the effort required to create each individual issue. Since there are now 6 issues, the editor has been increasing the page count to 112 pages. This allows for a more flexible publishing and printing scheduale. It has also reduced the costs of of mailing and printing.

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To those of you who have newly joined (or rejoined) the RA, I want to use your comments about the lack of activity with postings to the Forum and questions about the frequency of OTL issues as a vehicle for my comments about the club and its magazine. The RA is in the middle of a major change period. When the previous Editor of OTL died, it obviously set off a giant power struggle within the Club that produced a lot of fall out - from top to bottom. People who had been deeply involved in the RA were pushed out or dropped out and there was a struggle for control of OTL.
Change is always hard, both for individuals and for Clubs. Major changes are most always very intense. This change within the Club has been particularly difficult and lasted longer that it should due to several factors. The 2 primary factors, as I see them, have been a lack of leadership from the Club President(s) and the attitude of the new Editor of OLT.
The new Editor decided to change everthing about the magazine, announcing that the main focus of OTL would be the new BMW S1000RR bike and Racing Coverage. He also announced that complaints against BMW corporate or BMW bikes would not be allowed. That upset many members, who complained. Those who dared to speak-up in "Letters to Editor" were dealt with harshly. They were basically told that if they didn't like it - stuff it. This is where lack of leadership by the Club President came into play. The Editor should have been reminded that OLT was not his personal magazine to do with as he pleased, but that it was "The Club" magazine and that there needed to be a place for everyone in it. But above all, respect had to be shown to members. That did not appear to have happened. Consquently, participation by members has simply stopped.

Now, having said that - RA riders tend to be just that, riders, and not talkers. They tend to be experienced riders with their bikes pretty well sorted out the way the want them. So you will not see alot of questions about "How should I do this" or "What kind of farkel should I get" and you are simply not going to see a lot of postings.

As far as OLT goes, the jury is still out. The Editor is having a very difficult time making the transition from being a "Contributing Editor" to "The Editor". As a "Contributing Editor" one is free to focus in on whatever floats your boat. But as "The Editor" you have responsibility for the whole magazine and it becomes your job to seek out contributors that you think might (might) appeal to a number of members and ask them to submit something. An Editor has to go out and look. They can not just simply sit back and wait for submissions to come in. Contributors have to be nurtured. It is rare that a Peter Egan comes along - a fully developed writer right from the get-go. Putting out a magazine is hard work, commercial or Club, and it becomes Mt. Everest when one tries to do it all by oneself. Right now, we are a very good picture book. Hey, my bike was pictured in the Jan/Feb and that was pretty cool.

So hang in there and keep riding and post when you can.

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Thanks for the info Sammy. I hope you are right about RA just in a temporary condition. Racing and the BMW crotch rocket are interesting but definitely not the only game in town. That goes for a GS only orientation. I joined both MOA and RA primarily for the magazines. My observation about the MOA magazine is that it is pretty, well put together, but there just isn't enough BMW specific stuff out there for a "monthly."

Just some observations from pushing 50 years of riding. Certain personality profiles gravitate to particular bike manufacturers and particular models within that companies production line. That is a general statement and can not be taken to be absolute. I gravitate toward Triumph triple riders, but love my GS. So it is a bit fuzzy. HD riders enjoy a less than admirable reputation with the general motorcycle populace. Gold Wingers are, well Gold Wingers. Guzzi guys are different. When I got my BMW, old rider friends playfully made a series of remarks about me changing my attitude now that I was a BMW rider. When discussing types of riders with a friend, who has had several RT's and GS's, he said "wait till you start running with the BMW crowd, now those guys are really different." What you are seeing may be a part of that phenomenon. Talkers have a tendency to be self centered and riders have a tendency to just blow off the talkers and go their own way. Kinda makes recovery in a situation like this difficult.

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Sammy-Joe,

I am traveling in California for a few weeks so I only have internet access with this tiny screen.

When I am home I will answer in more detail but for the moment let me say you have quite a vivid imagination.

There was no power struggle. There was only a need to find an editor who was willing to take on an enormous task.

Will Guyan stepped up and has done a magnificent job. The magazine content has certainly changed but that is only logical.

There is a unique style for an editor. We have not tried to replicate Robert Hellman. That would be wasted effort.

George Nyktas, President BMWRA.

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Sammy-Joe, You may have been riding for 40 years and you may miss the old black and white newsletter that OTL used to be, but I can tell you for sure as someone who volunteers dozens of hours a month to OTL that the editor, Will Guyan, absolutely does not sensor members who have complaints about BMW! In fact, Will is one of the most active critics" of BMW Corporate in the magazine, and he raises important points every issue that certainly raise a few eyebrows over at BMW Corporate. I can only conclude that you don't read the magazine and simply glance at the nice glossy photos. While you may miss some of the writing styles and the articles of the past, it is not at all a fault of the Editor who spends 100 hours a month searching, networking, and yes begging others to contribute just a small, short little article. It is people like you, Sammy, who have given up on the BMW community, and you are not interested in contributing anymore like you may have in the past. Personally, I hope the editor runs your post in the next OTL so you can see how many people point out how wrong you are. I personally track down 3 or 4 new interesting people each month and half of them come through and send us a decent new article. And I am just a photo retoucher. WIll spends far more time searching for interesting stories. He runs what he can find. Do you know how many people there out there who think they can do a better job than Will Guyan, and have asked for a chance to prove it? ZERO! I personally focus on old airhead cafés, and we have run photos and articles of a dozen of them overt the last year along with lots of vintage airheads. In fact, we run more photos of vintage BMWs than the vintage BMW magazine ever did, which seems to have disappeared by the way. Yes, we run articles on the S1000RR as well. ANd the F800, and even BMW scooters. We don't take sides. We publish any interesting BMW material we can get our hands on. Thanks for taking the time to voice your opinion, but your beliefs are wrong. If there is an article you want to see, why not write it and submit it? We would love some help from the older RA members rather than only complaints.

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Back a few years ago, OTL was Editorless, so the bosses tapped the dumb Racing Editor for the job when nobody else was willing; maybe that should read “when everybody else was too smart.” In his position, what was a clueless, bereft of direction (there were no blueprints left for OTL, nor did any of the former “staff” stick around), barely literate rider to do but to make a magazine where there was only a black & white, tarnished, and neglected newsletter? He knew naught of the former Editor’s glories, nor the club's history and politics. So, forth he cluelessly forged, creating his own idea of a BMW moto mag that was entertaining, thought provoking, informative and colorfully illustrated. As the faux wordsmith forged ahead, printing larger images so he could enjoy the various bike details despite his myopia. Perhaps even the rare glimpse of a customized BMW, way more hip in Europe than here in the USA.
There was no power struggle at all; every mother's son and daughter had flown the coop, got out of Dodge and ran for the safety of blessed anonymity. Not even a blueprint was left behind, although Mr. Boltz did his best to direct the new guy before he, too, disappeared.
And now this mystery Sammy appears out of nowhere with the Holy Grail of clarity after the fact! What a great and wondrous bunch of hooligans and hangmen lurk in the souls of men! As far as I can see, the Editor is doing a pretty damned decent job where before there was, for example, a large photo of a dorm room bunk bed representing the new rally site, and a feature article on a cable lock. Sammy, I don't know what universe you spin your wheels across, but it's certain you either have your head in the sand or you're just another anonymous critic. Your bike was in the Jan/Feb issue! You must live among the cacti... Where do these latter day Merlins come from, 3 years and 8 months worth of OTLs later, with their pontificating and ramblings on about things of which they are clueless?!
Thanks, Sammy Joe, for yet another interesting read from one of the old school OTL intelligentsia. I know the editor too, and he thrives on the hate mail he gets regularly, but mostly from RA members not afraid to give their names. I certainly can see all he's done for this club via its magazine. OTL is nothing at all like the thing left in the wake of Hellman's rocket ship to the other side of the Milky Way. And I, for one, approve.

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Well it may be a dogfight, but at least some folks have come out of the woodwork to say something. Yeh, I know, if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. Hope that saying nothing isn't saying something. Biggrin

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I have been intimately involved with BMW since the early 70's and have known Will for many years as well. I have been completely blown away with what Editor Will has done to On The Level, the improvement as well as the tech incites, the pictures, the ACCURATE scuttlebutt and the stunning quality have not gone unnoticed in the industry. Accolades have poured in from all over the Globe. The BMW powers at be have taken notice as well, both in a positive direction as the Industry's premier Mag of its type and sometime in a negative aspect as well because of Will's ability to gore and poke holes into BMW's corporate think.

Will, Job well done, my hats off to you.

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Well, to those of you who have taken offense at my comments about OLT. My point of view is my point of view. Nothing more. I would remind each of you that nothing or no one is perfect. Not Robert Hellman nor Bob Higdon or Will Guyan. If my thoughts about the Club have been error, they were/are based on educated guesses, because no one in positions of leadership within the Club ever wrote any editorials, "Open Letters" to the members, or "Guest Articles" explaining any of the goings on behind the scenes or the stitches on the curve ball. Perception is reality.
I don't live in the past. I ride a '81 R100RS because it is a bike that I love. I have owned Oilhead and Hex Heads and K-Bikes. My next bike will probablly be a GS. I am just a regular guy who rides when he can and tries to take a long bike trip at least once a year. I don't live under a rock. I don't begrudge anyone who rides the lastest thing out from BMW - be it a "R" bike or "K" or "RR". I don't have the $$ to buy a new bike every 2-3 years, but I don't hold any resentment against those that do. I have read OLT religiously since I first joined the RA and still do. I read it from page 1 to the end. I waited a long time to write anything on the Forum or "To the Editor", because I knew what the reaction by the "Faithful" would be - Instant attack.

I find it interesting that some in our Club seem to have developed an attitude that says critizism will not be allowed and that it is hoped that my post will be published in OLT so I can really get blasted by the good members who will show what a jerk I am. I think my critizism was very mild. The Mag is better. It has "Risen from the Dead". The art work/photos are 1st rate. And I understand that that did not just happen at the "Push of a Button". And, I think Will is improving. But, I don't think we are as good as we can be. I have been challanged to do something besides complain. If I had anything to contribute in an article, I would submit. Unfortunately my skills do not lie in that area. I sweat blood just to type this response. The words do not flow easily. I erase, rewrite, and edit to be sure that what I say, is what I want to say. To those who have go into the "Full on -Attack Mode" - I say, just cool it. We are a broad community. There's room for everyone and their points of view, even it they don't match the new norm.

So. Keep on riding, keep the rubber side down, and keep an eye peeled for John Law with his "Special" good driver/rider awards.

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Adam Arcane » wrote:
As far as I can see, the Editor is doing a pretty damned decent job where before there was, for example, a large photo of a dorm room bunk bed representing the new rally site, and a feature article on a cable lock. Sammy, I don't know what universe you spin your wheels across, but it's certain you either have your head in the sand or you're just another anonymous critic.
I know the editor too, and he thrives on the hate mail he gets regularly, but mostly from RA members not afraid to give their names. QUOTE]

Aren't you the editor, "Adam"? Fess up!

As to the issue of censorship, read your own words from the Dec 2009 editorial:

"We will continue to air hard questions, but we will reserve the right to edit rough language and obvious hurtful epithets like were recently hurled in the official BMWRA magazine at BMW NA's Laurence Kuykendall. If you want to address issues important to us all in a gentlemanly or lady-like fashion, then OTL is your magazine. If you want to engage in name calling, impress us all with your skill in the Roman language that makes former altar boys wince, or castigate our NA friends, or if you now hate BMW's because you don't have a dealer close to you or your final drive has failed and you want blood, you may be edited. "

I think SammyJoe speaks the truth. But what do I know?

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It seems as if forums are as digital as the medium they sit on. They tend to be either a one or a zero. The term "constructive" criticism seems to be totally incomprehensible. Having been in leadership/manager roles most of my life, I have found that it is best to actually listen to people who are not exactly "friendly." Even among some of the things you are most opposed to there may be something that is useful. Just a thought.

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If you want feedback in the mag about the RA, then address the Board of Directors or the Trustees, all of whom have nil to do with the creation of the magazine. I took issue with the concept of a power struggle, Sammy. There was nothing but a black hole where OTL had been. I treated the rag like I do a house remodel - improve it. It would have been nice if there'd been a group or committee behind OTL that could have explained things to the new guy, who happened to be the Racing Editor for what that was worth. The magazine itself was a closely kept cabal of a few old school folks. The new dumb-arse stepped right in, and stepped in a steaming pile. All the editor can do is that which he does, and he likes OTL, now larger and in full color, but yes it can be improved. But not without help.

Write your pleas for explanations and clarification to the "elected" RA people, and we'll see if they can/will explain the reality of the situation to your satisfaction. For what it's worth, you write pretty darned well, and get your point across clearly. Now, extrapolate your situation to the "OLT" editor and you'll see his plight: hundreds of hours per issue, still imperfect, but not genuflecting to BMW and the bottom line is the editor is a pure lifelong motorcyclist, not a politician.

Thanks for your letter.

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I am a ten year member of both the MOA and the RA (couldn't afford a BMW before then!) and I have to compliment Mr. Guyan on his remodeling job of OTL. In fact, the May/June issue is the best OTL I have ever read! Change is hard for many people as they associate change with a loss (of the old comfortable way). Certainly, change only for the sake of change is of no value, but, as Will has pointed out, the only road forward was through change. So, accept it, or move along and find something else you like better than the RA. I for one, am looking forward to the future!

Well done Will!

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Just wanted to comment on the last two issues which were MY first two issues. The pics are FANTASTIC. I gave up reading after college, but love to look at pics. Did I say they are FANTASTIC? Well, they are.

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Chewbacca,

Thanks for the feedback. Will does a great job on the magazine assisted by Katherine who does the layout and whoever else he can get good input from.

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Re: OTL - don´t get much feedback

OTL is the face of the club and folks sign up just so they can get the rag, I think we're on to soemthing here..smiley

Yesterday I met Ed Perregaux (Phoenix, AZ) who used to be a member years ago. The current issue of OTL convinced ED to join for another three years - he's wondering how much  for a liftime subscription ?

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